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How to fish for daytime sea trout on the amazing Welsh Dee

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For a long time, fly fishing for sea trout is something I look forward to every year.

I bet once you’ve experienced the exhilaration of catching a sea trout it will be hard…

to resist becoming addicted to fishing for sea trout.

Not everyone is comfortable with fishing at night. Therefore, I will explain how to catch daytime sea trout as well.

The prime sea trout fishing on the Welsh Dee is short, from July to the middle of September. So, every year during this period, I focus on fly fishing for sea trout at Llangollen.

The Welsh Dee has an estimated annual run of 10,000 sea trout, with an average size of about 1-2 lbs. In addition, it’s not uncommon to land large sea trout (4 – 8 lbs) and occasionally a double-figure specimen.

Therefore, it’s surprising that I often have the Welsh Dee at Llangollen…

to myself when fishing for sea trout.

dry fly fishing for daytime sea trout
A Welsh Dee sea trout caught on a size 14 iron blue dry fly emerger

Maybe because it seems difficult to fish the Welsh Dee at night, or busy lifestyles do not lend themselves to night fishing.

However, it is possible to start your sea trout fly fishing journey during daylight hours and have some great fishing in the process.

This article provides information to encourage a few more anglers to try fly fishing for Welsh Dee sea trout.

Here’s how…

Daytime sea trout – how to catch them:

Almost every year on the Welsh Dee, the signal for the main run of the sea trout happens in mid-July.

It usually comes out of the blue while fishing for grayling and trout with either dry flies, wet flies, spiders or nymphs on a light leader (ca. 3lb).

This year, I caught my first sea trout (ca. 2lb) of the season while nymphing for trout at 5 pm during June. I cast a size 16 gold ribbed hare’s ear in front of a large boulder and as the fly swung around…

a sea trout smashed the fly and took off downriver.

Daytime sea trout caugh on a hares ear nymph
Daytime sea trout caught on a GRHE nymph

Then later the same day, I caught another sea trout nymphing a fast run further downriver.

Daytime sea trout caught nymphing
A Welsh Dee sea trout caught on a size 12 black PTN

From then to the end of September you have a great opportunity to catch daytime sea trout when the conditions are favourable.

On sunny days it is best to focus your daytime sea trout fly fishing during the first couple of hours of daylight and the last 3 hours of daylight. With dull, overcast days offering you the best chances of catching daytime sea trout.

Welsh Dee sea trout caught during the day
3 of 5 July sea trout caught early afternoon on a dull day

What Fly fishing tackle is required for daytime sea trout?

It depends on the river conditions.

When the river is running clear and close to its summer level, the fishing tackle I use for daytime sea trout is the same as I use for grayling or brown trout fishing, i.e.

  • 9ft or 9ft 6” rod, 5 or 6wt
  • Floating line
  • 7ft, 6X tapered copolymer leader tipped with 6ft of 3lb copolymer
  • 3 droppers spaced 3ft apart
How to fish for daytime sea trout on the amazing Welsh Dee This article shares my approaches for daytime sea trout fishing on the Welsh Dee. It includes the fly patterns and fishing tackle that have proved successful.
A 3lb Welsh Dee sea trout caught on a size 12 brown & silver sedge at 8 pm

If the river is running off after a summer spate and coloured, there is a change of larger daytime sea trout. Therefore, I will use a set-up with a bit more beef, to handle a bigger sea trout:

  • 10ft 6wt rod
  • Floating or intermediate line
  • 7ft, 2X tapered fluorocarbon leader tipped with 4ft of 6 to 8lb fluorocarbon
  • 2 droppers spaced 4ft apart

What daytime sea trout flies to use?

When the river is running clear at its summer level:

For many years now, my preferred daytime sea trout flies is a team of wet flies: a March Brown spider on the point, a black hopper middle dropper, and a brown & silver sedge top dropper (sizes 14 or 12).

Weighted March brown spider

March Brown Spider

  • Hook – Kamasan B170 size 14 & 12
  • Thread – rusty red UNI 8/0
  • Body – Hare’s ears fibres of varying length & colour
  • Rib – medium oval gold tinsel
  • Hackle – brown partridge neck
How to fish for daytime sea trout on the amazing Welsh Dee This article shares my approaches for daytime sea trout fishing on the Welsh Dee. It includes the fly patterns and fishing tackle that have proved successful.

Black Hopper

  • Hook – Kamasan B170 size 14 & 12
  • Thread – black UNI 8/0
  • Body – black seals fur substitute
  • Rib – Uni Pearl Mylar #14 (1/32)
  • Legs – knotted pheasant tail dyed black
  • Hackle – Black Hen
sea trout fly fishing Welsh Dee

Brown & Silver Sedge

  • Hook – Kamasan B170 size 14 & 12
  • Thread – black UNI 8/0
  • Body rear – medium silver tinsel
  • Body front – Peacock Herl
  • Rib – fine oval silver tinsel
  • Hackle – Brown cock

Having read the article on “bling” spiders in Flyfishing and Flytying by Neil Darling (March 2018 Ed.) I have been testing some of these patterns. So far, I’ve had some sea trout success with a couple but it’s still very much a work in progress.

How to fish for daytime sea trout on the amazing Welsh Dee This article shares my approaches for daytime sea trout fishing on the Welsh Dee. It includes the fly patterns and fishing tackle that have proved successful.

Red Bling Spider

  • Hook – Kamasan B170 size 12 & 10
  • Thread – red UNI 8/0
  • Body – holographic red
  • Rib – fine silver wire
  • Hackle – Grouse neck
  • Cheeks – split jungle cock
olive bling spider fly fishing

Grouse & Olive Bling Spider

  • Hook – Kamasan B170 size 12 & 10
  • Thread – fluoro-green
  • Body – holographic chartreuse
  • Thorax – green Hends Spectra dubbing code 89
  • Hackle – Grouse neck
sea trout fly fishing

Grouse & Blue Bling Spider

  • Hook – Kamasan B170 size 12 & 10
  • Thread – fluoro-orange
  • Body – holographic blue
  • Thorax – purple Hends Spectra dubbing code 411
  • Hackle – Grouse neck

When the Welsh Dee is running off after a summer spate and is still coloured:

If the river is coloured I find that small salmon flies work quite well for sea trout. For example, size 12 to 10 doubles…

How to fish for daytime sea trout on the amazing Welsh Dee This article shares my approaches for daytime sea trout fishing on the Welsh Dee. It includes the fly patterns and fishing tackle that have proved successful.
2.5lb Welsh Dee sea trout caught on a size 10D Silver stoats tail after a summer spate

Where to fish for daytime sea trout at Llangollen

I’ve not had much luck trying to spot sea trout on the Welsh Dee; unless they are jumping in the evening. Therefore, my approach is to find likely lies that offer shelter and fish them. 

River features that provide good sea trout lies include:

  • Undercut riverbanks
  • Overhanging tree-lined banks
  • Weed beds and underwater obstacles
  • Boulder strewn channels

You need to approach likely lies with stealth because sea trout, like sizeable brown trout, are easy to spook.

If possible, avoid wading into the river. However, I’ve found that to reach some of the lies it is necessary to wade and if this is done carefully you can still catch sea trout.

Over many years, I’ve built up knowledge of where sea trout usually lie and can be caught during daylight on the Welsh Dee at Llangollen; these include:

If you fish the above places either early morning or evening you will eventually catch a daytime sea trout. Note – if you don’t catch a sea trout within 15 minutes of fishing in one spot, move on to the next place.

Good Luck and…

Please contact me if you have any questions. Also, take a look at part 2 covering how to approach night-time fishing for sea trout fishing

If you are interested in fly fishing for sea trout on the Welsh Dee there are some excellent Day Ticket options 

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George Husband
7 months ago

Hi Andrew
Thoroughly enjoyed the post. Can relate a lot to using spiders for Sea Trout in the daytime. Have had similar success with the. Long time ago. Think I need to start using them again, brings back memories.

Cheers George

Damian Dwerryhouse
1 month ago

I read your article on Welsh Dee Sewin flies and the Joe Pye fly. From memory- this came from a book by James Waltham who fishes the Ribble/ Hodder- excellent book BTW. In his book the fly was called a ‘ red arsed Joe Pye’ . I have tied a few but never used- so good to hear they work. I believe Waltham also devised the snake fly.
Hope this helps!
Best
Damian

stephen lyth
19 days ago

Hi Andrew, can you confirm that you are using 13 and 11 ft leaders in this article ?
Also, if you were fishing the Clwyd what would you scale them down too ?

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